Timothy Alexander
July 31, 2007 – 1:26 pmWho is Timothy Alexander?
Another Modern Pagan author who praises Gavin and Yvonne’s book, the Good Witches Bible and supports Gavin and Yvonne Frost to this very day.
His current books are both Self Published by Lulu Press, Inc. (http://www.lulu.com) which leads me to believe their might be a wee bit of envy on your part as I kind of piss on the professional publishing industry after having been rather successful with it.
A Beginner’s Guide to Hellenismos
Publisher: Lulu Press, Inc.; First Edition edition (June 14, 2007)
ISBN-10: 1430324562
ISBN-13: 978-1430324560
Hellenismos Today
Lulu Press, Inc.; First Edition edition (April 27, 2007)
ISBN-10: 1430314273
ISBN-13: 978-1430314271
He administer thes forum at http://www.mind-n-magick.com
His administrative name is real_magick1970
Mind-n-magick.com © Alexander Online Sales 2002-2007
I’d never heard of the man before I received email stating this was a blog poster’s real name. Later, the blog poster (Shadowhawk) challenged me to figure out who he is. I said I would take a “guess”, that he is Timothy J. Alexander, and that:
“Please do let me know if this is you so I can properly attribute all of your statements to the author who has been making them.”
In response, Timothy J. Alexander anounced to the world that I was attacking him.
“There is a person named Shadowhawk has been criticizing A.J. Drew has been critical of Drew’s recent activity. He thinks this guy is me for some reason and feels it is appropriate to make unfounded attacks. ”
Uh, I had never said a thing about the guy other than I was guessing that he an Shadowhawk were one in the same. I posted that it was a guess and that if I am wrong, he should let me know so I can properly attribute the things Shadowhawk has been posting.
At first, I thought it odd that he would say I was attacking him. But then I took a wee look at his forums and what he can be quoted as saying on the internet in praise of not only Gavin and Yvonne Frost, but the book which I find so objectionable.
Now rember that he publicly accused me of attacking him when I had no clue who he was. I go to his website and discover he is saying things like:
“Drew is a horses backside!!”
“and HIS “A Wiccan Bible” isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.”
http://www.mind-n-magick.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1184206493
I am attacking him? Uh hugh? I even used the word please and explained that I was making a “guess”. Wow, this was confusing. Why would someone want to convince a forum system that I was attacking him and that entire forum? Why would he remove the link to my quotes? Hmmm, could it be that if he had included the quotes or a link to the material (as I am doing to his), then folk would read what I have written and realize it is not an attack at all. That I was clear in making a “guess” and asked that if the information was wrong, that someone “please” correct it? What could this man’s motivation against me, to fabricate claims that I am attacking him, to in actuallity attack me prior to my ever knowing he existed? Hmmmm…
Here we see at Amazon.com Timothy J. Alexander praising the Good Witches Bible, the book which instructs the use of home made dildos, incest, molestation, intoxication, and rape of children in the name of Wicca.
Timothy Alexander reviews and praises The Good Witches Bible at Amazon.com -
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0963065769/sr=8-2/qid=1185908497/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful/105-0327695-4757230?ie=UTF8&n=283155&qid=1185908497&sr=8-2#customerReviews
Folk can read the quotes from that book to see exactly what Timothy Alexander has praised.
http://ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com/defrost-please-read/
But as if praising that book were not enough, Timothy alexander seems intent of providing false information about Gavin and Yvonne Frost recanting.
Timothy Alexander says: “Still… it was 37 years ago and they recanted most of it since. Drew has nothing to be offended about.” – In this forum somewhere, could find it if you like.
However, the Chief Administrator of the Frosts Church and School of Wicca says:
Bronwyn (Jo) Frost: “Yes, Gavin and Yvonne have made comments regarding these words written 35 years ago, not a retraction, but comments.” - 7/12/2007 07:44:00 AM
Browwyn (Jo) Frost: “I am Wiccan and proud and I am proud to be my parents’ daughter. I am proud that they have taken the stand they did and that they have not wavered in their strength and faith that honest information about pagan practices are relevant to the discussion today.” - 7/12/2007 08:12:00 AM
http://www.wildhunt.org:80/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html
Gavin Frost : “People simply cannot comprehend what a partnership way of life would be like. And the moment you suggest that a physician snip a girl’s hymen so that her first sexual experience won’t be bloody, painful, and traumatic, the moment you suggest the tiny snip of the membrane that holds the foreskin to the glans[sic] that would let the young male have an equally pleasant first sexual experience, in that moment all the self-appointed christo-pW’s scream in unison, “Mutilation!” “Child molest!” ” – May, 2007
http://www.wicca.org/gavinandyvonne/teaser0507.html
So we have yet another modern Pagan author supporting and defending Gavin and Yvonne Frost. This one willing to launch a verbal assault on me before I ever mentioned his name and then attempt to twist things around to say that I am attacking him. I feel I have been cordial and polite in the matter.
There is something wrong with the Pagan Community if its authors not only look the other way, but praise that book. There is something very, very, very wrong.
16 Responses to “Timothy Alexander”
Timothy Alexander i agree with you whole heartedly But i also believe Aj Drew is milking this brain injury thing for sympathy.. Oh please feel sorry for me agree with me because im brain dead.. Aj stop milking your injury and confess to the fact that you are just plain nuts.. There are therapists that will help you with your obsession with the Frosts.
By shadowhawk on Jul 31, 2007
Are you talking to yourself now? You already admitted you were Timothy Alexander.
http://ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com/2007/07/18/fucking-gimps/#comment-84
By Sangathor on Jul 31, 2007
Dumb fuck Sangadipshit IM NOT TIMOTHY ALEXANDER. do you not get it.. look at his current myspace real_magick1970 and my covenspace.. we are 2 DIFFERENT people.. you need to learn to follow these conversations. Fuck your an idiot
By shadowhawk on Jul 31, 2007
Shadowhawk - I do not often reference the injury, you do in your insults. I simply respond to your insults.
Weather you two are or are not the same person is not of signifigance. The events of folk thinking that you are one in the same has caused me to uncover what Timothy Alexander has said about the Frosts and the praise for that book. Not for the Frosts as they are now (your arguement) but for the book itself.
All I can say about that is wow.
By A.J. Drew on Jul 31, 2007
You’re the one who said you *were* Tim. If you aren’t, you’re a liar. If you are, perhaps YOU ought to make an appointment with a therapist…
By Solstice on Aug 1, 2007
What did I say about the Frost’s book AJ?
By tjalexander on Aug 1, 2007
Don’t feel bad, Shadowhawk, he keeps accusing me of being Trish Telesco.
By nightshy on Aug 1, 2007
tjalexander - I posted the link to your Amazon.com review and asked you to confirm that it was you here in my blog. Now you are asking me what you said about the book? I am confused as to why you would ask such a thing.
nightshy - That would be due to the IP address locations that follows Patricia when she tours, the IP addresses that you two have shared, the information you have shared that only Patricia Telesco would know, and oh ye, the drunken confession that you made. Duh.
So now you are following me into my personal blog eh nightshy. Shall I share about the night at Convocation which started with you groping my pregnant wife’s breasts?
By A.J. Drew on Aug 1, 2007
AJ
Your blogs are becoming VERY popular!!!!!
Do a google search on the Frosts and you pop up first!!!!
Yeahhhhhh!
By Rhiannon on Aug 1, 2007
Lol hi Night shy.. If you are Trish Telesco then you might know a friend of mine.. but i wont post the name here.. And theres nothing wrong with feeling a pregnant womans breasts , not much different than a normal breast..lol.. This guy Mr Aj Drew is a riot
By shadowhawk on Aug 1, 2007
So are you blocking my posts now Aj
By shadowhawk on Aug 1, 2007
So, fatboy, you’re either a liar or you are impersonating someone else. And since your other incarnation tjalexander doesn’t seem to mind, I’d guess the former. Either way it doesn’t matter, it all boils down to you being full of shit and nothing you say matters. Do the world a favor and drink the cool-aide.
By Sangathor on Aug 1, 2007
Uh- there’s something wrong with groping a pregnant or non pregnant woman’s breasts if they haven’t given you permission. Dumbass!
By Solstice on Aug 2, 2007
Hey sangathor get off my jock ..
By shadowhawk on Aug 2, 2007
Oh Sangathor, I do mind… I reprimanded him for it, and he recanted. Why would I hold a grudge further?
AJDrew:
Since you will not post it, I will…
Title: The book “they” don’t want you to read
“This book is a classic “must have”, and is one you must read for yourself.
Most reviews seem to be written by people who prejudged the book based on hearsay rather than reading the book itself.
There is a good deal of high-quality information, as well as some which is very controversial. The book will challenge your preconceived ideas about Wicca/Witchcraft; you won’t agree with everything, but you can find information that is interesting & valuable.
There is significant worth in a book “they” don’t want you to read.”
You will notice, not one word of praise… only a statement that people should read and judger themselves. Book burners are book burners. Any book that is as controversial and cause people to call for its removal from selves is worth buying, owning, and reading.
By tjalexander on Aug 2, 2007
Rhiannon - Yes, google.com and other search engines do like my blog and Pagan Nation. I spent a few years before the accident reading about how their search engine works and developing software which supliments the blogs and forums at Pagan Nation for optimization. As a result, when ever you say things that someone might search on, like: “Timothy Alexander”, “A Beginner’s Guide to Hellenismos”, “Hellenismos Today”, “Lulu Press, Inc.”, “Gavin Frost”, “Child Molestatioin”, or other items in this conversation; Google picks it up quickley.
Currently, if you search: Timothy Alexander at google.com, this page is number 6 from the top. That will change with time. It will move up and down. But now that Timothy Alexander has brought himself to my attention with his forum, the result is that his promotion of Gavin and Yvonne Frost along with his five star review of their books will forever be connected to him & the larger he makes this thread with conversation, the more likly it is that search engines will find it. Although to be honest, possition 6 at google is good enough. Add the word Pagan and this page is number 2, beat only by Amazon.com
tjalexander - I provided the url to your five star review of Gavin and Yvonne Frost’s book. To imply that I didn’t want folk to see it is arguing sideways. You reviewed the book with five stars, singing its praise, and implying that there is a collective of folk who do not want people to read it.
I have said over and over again, that I want people to read the thing, as have many others here. I, and many others, feel the book speaks for itself. As do authors such as you who give the thing five stars and praise it.
Shadowhawk - No, I have switched to full moderation as have many other forums you participate in. Many folk are interested in sincere conversation on this matter while folk like you seem only to want to disrupt that conversation.
I, and many others, honestly want to encourage you and folk with similiar opinions as yours to discuss the matter, hence not banning you or T. Alexander. However, I would like it if you were to actually discuss the matter rather than continue to argue other matters.
If you would like to bring up totaly unrelated subjects, please consider using the diversity of forums on the Internet.
By A.J. Drew on Aug 2, 2007