Robin Angus Fletcher - Says sex with 15 year olds is Pagan
February 11, 2008 – 2:58 pm
“Two 15 year old girls were victims of sexual abuse and one was procured for prostitution by Robin Angus Fletcher, a self-proclaimed “traditionalist witch.” He advertised both girls on the Internet as “school-girl prostitutes” who would take part in sado masochistic activities. After being arrested in 1996, Fletcher contracted a hit man to kill both girls to prevent them from giving evidence. (Katherine Towers, “Witch Spells Out Pagan Sex Abuse,” The Australian, 24 February 1998) “
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/austral.htm
Ah, if that were the whole of the story I would probably have posted it and moved on without much comment. Yes it is sick, but we live in a very sick world. The thing is there is more. This man seems to have honestly thought that having sex with 15 year old girls was acceptable within the Pagan Community. Not only that, he thought we had some sort of treaty, pact or other such agreement with his government which allowed pedophilic conduct as long as the pedophiles where pagan or maybe as long as the children were pagan.
Robin Angus Fletcher tells the court that although he is accused of using various occult techniques to entice two young girls into prostitution, sadomasochism and black magic; that he thought it was OK because it is part of being pagan.
“During his plea hearing, Fletcher said he believed at the time his sex acts with the girls when they were 15 were legitimate pagan ceremonies. “
Making matters even stranger, he indicated that he believed the pagan community had some sort of pact with the government. Evidently, he believed we pagan folk can write our own laws and no not have to respect the laws of the land.
“He said he believed the pagans had a treaty with the government as an independent nation.”
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2962/media/mel-sun-herald24_2_98.html
“The self-professed witch, 49, said there were “no limitations on sexual behaviour for brothers and sisters and for children in our religion”. “
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19466352-2862,00.html
I have absolutely no clue why the man would believe the Pagan Community and the Australian Government would have an agreement allowing adult pagans to skip the laws concerning sex with children, but I do think there is a large number of leaders within the pagan community who have publicly indicated that this man didn’t do something all that wrong.
Remember, in defending Gavin and Yvonne Frost’s Book, Isaac Bonewits once posted:
“I will also point out that until very recently in human history, puberty didn’t start until the age of 15 or 16, which makes the idea of helping adolescents have a pleasant introduction to their sexuality dramatically different from the molesting of 10 year-olds.”
http://gavinandyvonne.blogspot.com/2007/06/witch-wars-and-their-cost.html
Now I do agree that there is a dramatic difference between having sex with a 10 year old and having sex with a 15 year old. I believe the crime of having sex with a 10 year old should be punished by the courts with much harder sentences than an adult having sex with a 15 year old. But the context in which Isaac Bonewits was speaking was to defend the book The Good Witch’s Bible as well as its authors Gavin and Yvonne Frost. That book describing the sexual initiation of “children” at the onset of the first signs of sexuality. My stance is that my mother began menstruating at the age of 11 and I know several women who started at 10. Isaac Bonewits, defending the Frosts and their book indicated that 15 isn’t all that bad of an age for sexual initiation. Incidentally, Isaac Bonewits has a been a long time friend and associate of Gavin and Yvonne Frost and is credited by the Frosts for helping to create the website on which they sell and promote the book.
I do not think the leaders of the Pagan Community are a valid excuse for Robin Angus Fletcher’s conduct, but it does seem as if the leaders of the pagan community, our authors, our organizations, and our festivals have sent a clear message that we tolerate, at a minimum and perhaps condone, such conduct.
I hope this man rots in that Down Under Prison.
3 Responses to “Robin Angus Fletcher - Says sex with 15 year olds is Pagan”
Why is it hard for you to understand why this man thought these things? The Frost’s book is sold and distributed at pagan gatherings, those people, the Frost’s continue to do so and to defend their disgusting book with ZERO repercussions. It’s not so hard to understand why a mentally and morally deficient human being would think that the government is ‘in’ on it, since nothing, NOTHING is done. Not only am I angered at the Pagan community but also my government for doing NOTHING.
By suzume on Feb 11, 2008
Suzume – That is a very good point. Not that I have anything against recreational use of marijuana, but I am going to use it as an example of why I think you have a very good point. Where I live, marijuana is illegal for any purpose. However, I can not think of a single instance where a judge or jury has convicted a hospice facility of looking the other way when a patient dying of cancer has been brought marijuana brownies. If a politician or judge were ever to try and enforce the marijuana laws on hospice patients, I would expect that judge or politician to be voted down (if not put down).
So yes, I think Law Enforcement, Judges, and Politicians are incohoots with Hospice and rightfully so. How many people old enough to find themselves in decisions such as making or enforcing laws has not witnessed a family member die of such horrors as Cancer or AIDS? What agency other than Hospice gives a damn about the quality of the last moments of their life? Virtually none.
There is a legal principle which is called Juror Nullification when it is done by a jury. The idea being that even when a crime has been clearly committed, a jury can decide it simply does not care and find the person not guilty. The courts routinely demand that a jury does not have this right, but it does by virtue of the fact that he jury has the power to do it. The principle being that when ever a person is put on trial, the law itself is put on trial. I think it is a great way to keep the power of the law in the hands of the people it serves. Of course like any power, it can be abused.
I further think that for the most part, recreational marihuana use is ignored by authorities. I believe some states have passed laws forbidding public money form being used to enforce marijuana laws for simple possession. The legal principle here being ‘selective enforcement of the law’. It is another concept, which is probably technically incorrect conduct on behalf of law enforcement, but seems to better society as a whole. Yep, marijuana is illegal. So is crack. I know where I would prefer my tax money spent. You?
So yes, I think Law Enforcement, Judges, and even Politicians who pass laws to decriminalize and not pursue recreational marijuana users are in cohoots with recreational marijuana users.
Do I think these same folk are in cohorts with the pagan community? Not really. I think we are a minor annoyance to them at times, but I don’t think our relationship goes much further than that. There’s just not enough of us for politicians to care about. Not yet. But yes, I see your point. In a culture where selective enforcement of the law and jury nullification is a way of life (I am assuming such is true of Australia as well) I can see how a man might think that such was true if the law and culture was doing absolutely nothing about a particular issue.
So I could see the man being stupid enough to think the laws would be overlooked, but to believe there was some treaty with the Australian government? Well, that just seems over the top.
By A.J. Drew on Feb 11, 2008
Like I said, he’s mentally deficient, or a nut, whichever you prefer. Insane people can justify anything they want to because they’re insane. I don’t mean that they do it on purpose, just that the illness in their brain makes it somehow rational to them. If he’s read the Frost’s book, which I’m fairly certain he has, therein lies his reasoning. So, in his fantasy, he’s concocted a story about the Gvmt. being in league with the Frost’s because as I said, the book is in print and you can buy it from the Frost’s and it’s apparently legal. I say the Frost’s as I know of no other Pagan or Wiccan book that advocates the rape, mutilation and molestation of children. If this nut goes on the internet and reads the debate about the Frost’s, it’ makes sense to me that he’d come up with his belief that it’s a great big conspiracy. Australia isn’t limited to Australian internet and it may be that he’s read some stuff in the USA concerning the Frost’s. It would certainly seem so. Not that the Frost’s will accept any responsibility, they never do.
All these people doing all these horrible things to children, all these reports quote these people as believing witchcraft makes these abuses ok. The Frost’s book is the only one I know of that resembles any of these people’s idea of Paganism or Witchcraft.
Do you know of any others?
By suzume on Feb 13, 2008