Did Starwood organizers lie to public about Gavin Frost?
March 4, 2008 – 1:14 amStarwood organizer deliberately misleads the public concerning Gavin Frost and the Church and School of Wicca. Follow along the bouncing ball. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where anybody can edit the content. There is a great debate about the credentials of Gavin Frost. Gavin Frost has refused to comment but continues to include those credentials in the biographies he writes about himself. Some folk claim that those credentials were issued by the mail order School of Wicca which he operated.Gavin Frost’s Wikipedia page. Note the reference behind his credentials read “B.Sc., Ph.D., D.D.”. The reference to hose credentials goes to the Frosts own website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Frost
Feeling that such a reference, one where the claim is only substantiated by the person being discussed, is lacking the standards established by Wikipedia; somebody marked the reference asking for a better one. This is a common occurrence at Wikipedia. If there is a bit of information without proper citation, that information is tagged by someone who thinks the information should be referenced.
A Wikipedia user (probably the same one to ask for a better reference) by the name of GBYork, then shared information he found about the school Gavin Frost reportedly got his degree from.
GBYork says: - “If he has been featured in newspapers and magazine articles across the United States, as his article states, this should be very easy to fulfill. I was able with a little work to do this for Carmel River School when it was up for afd a week or so ago. This is an elementary school with none of the claims to fame Gavin Frost is making.“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gavin_Frost
Well, I guess nobody was able to come up with the reference for Gavin Frost’s degrees long enough that Rosencomet leaped into action, removing the request for citation. Rosencomet then used the Talk Page of that topic to explain why:He also has used the account Jeff Rosenbaum.You will note from his userpage at Wikipedia that he is involved in the Starwood festival, a festival at which a Pagan Police officer reported being just about chased out of a tent for asking Gavin and Yvonne Frost about what he felt was the pedophilic content of their book, The Good Witches Bible.Rosencomet’s Userpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosencomet
Now here is where it really interesting, after another person points out hat Rosencomet is a “you are a known associate of Gavin Frost and an organizer of festivals at which he speaks”, Rosencomet fires back with accusations that the person is somehow associated with, yep you guessed it; yours truly. Yep, again I control the world. My minions are everywhere. But wait, there is more.If we meander over to the Wikipedia page for the Church and School of Wicca, you will see no mention of the pedophilic instructions found in their founding teachings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_and_School_of_Wicca
I thought this was odd, I had seen it all there before. I even posted to it, clarifying that a disclaimer had been added to he book in the year 2000 edition. So I took a look at the talk page for the Church and School of Wicca Article.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Church_and_School_of_Wicca
Here we see that the controversial material was removed from the Wikipedia article. Here we again see Rosencomet at work. And here are some of his lied.Rosencomet – “Most of this information was about the book “The Witches Bible” (which has been revised with much of the offending material excised), not about the Church.”
Not true. None of the material was taken out as the of 2000 edition. Further, much of the controversial material was from a Pagan Police Officer / Author Kerr Cuhulain. The articles are still available at The Witch’s Voice.
Again, someone is accused of being me or in someway in leg with me. This time it is a person named Fuzzypeg, who says of the facts Rosencomet removed:
Fuzzypeg - “To put it bluntly, the facts you’ve removed are probably the most notable details about the school, as far as the general public is concerned. They’re what it and the Frosts are most famous for. “
Here are the facts, the content of that book is in part shared here.
http://ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com/defrost-please-read/
Contrary to the Starwood Organizer’s lies, the material has not been removed from that book as of the year 2000 printing. The book is still available. Further, the introduction to Chapter 4 and other areas of the book make it VERY clear that the book contains the founding teachings of the Church and School of Wicca.If an article at Wikipedia is to discuss an organization, I would think that the founding teachings of that organization would be discussed especially when so many people find those teachings to be pedophilic in nature. However, evidently at least one organizer at Starwood thinks history should be rewritten and overlooked. One organizer of Starwood thinks that lies should be told to cover up what the Frosts have written.
Here is a blog entry on how Starwood treated a Pagan Police Officer with questions.
http://ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com/2007/10/29/police-officer-pagan-boo-ed-out-of-a-starwood/
I say to hell with Starwood and any other organization and / or event which is going to not only support the Frosts by having them at their festivals; but to send organizers out of there way to lie to he public and attempt to rewrite history as they have at Wikipedia.