No slack for Child Molesters and other Perverts
April 2, 2008 – 10:38 pmNo slack for Child Molesters and other PervertsIn a recent blog post, Gavin and Yvonne Frost seem to think that pagan folk should stop turning on each other. They in part said:
“Why don’t we turn our heads around, you good pagans, and start believing that other members of the community might just become our friends instead of our enemies?”
http://gavinandyvonne.blogspot.com/2008/03/locking-our-shields.html
I say there are people within the pagan community that need turned on. In fact, I have been listing those people here in my blog; people who have been arrested, charged, and convicted of child molestation. People who have written books which seem to encourage such behavior. No, I do NOT want to get along with my fellow pagan when my fellow pagan is slime.
I haven’t noticed much in the way of feuding pagans recently other than the growing number of people who have become aware of the filth that Gavin and Yvonne Frost have passed off as Wicca for more than three decades. Of course I am again speaking about The Witch’s Bible / The Good Witch’s Bible. Subtitled: How to practice the Oldest Religion, I find the book to be a pedophilic instructional which indicates that children should be raped to initiate them into the Wiccan Religion. I am starting to sound like a broken record aren’t I? Well that is because Gavin and Yvonne Frost are my enemies and they are the enemies of a growing segment of the modern Wiccan, pagan, and heathen community. Why? Because a significant number of young Wiccans, pagan, and heathens have grown up and started to have children of our own. People who say: No surrender! People who say: No slack! People who say: Not in my community! You see, we are taking over. It is inevitable. The type of garbage that Gavin and Yvonne Frost have dumped into our community is being seen for what it is, toxic waist. Sure, it took more than three decades for it to be recognized as such. Sure, it took a broken record like myself to get the ball rolling, but it sure is rolling isn’t it. Like a snowball down a ski slope. Still I think it was inevitable. You see the Wiccan, pagan, and heathen community is growing up.
I remember when I was a young teen, maybe 15. I was involved in a sexual relationship with a twenty something year old. At the time, she had no clue how old I really was. When she discovered my age years later, she was outraged. As a young person, I didn’t see any problem with the relationship. As one who is raising young people I now see a problem with the relationship. Not that I think the woman had done anything wrong what so ever (I had a beard and fake ID at the time), but obviously my opinion changed over the years. I think what Gavin and Yvonne Frost are observing in their blog is much more than what they like to call Witch Wars. I think it is growing pains and I do not think it is going to stop until they are both in their graves.
The fad that Wicca and modern day paganism have been for the last decade or so is drawing to a close. We no longer have a tremendous influx of those naive 15 year olds who do not think there is much wrong with sex between adults and minors. Instead, we have people who are more interested in employment as a source of income than spellcraft because they have observed that a job is more likely to pay their mortgage than a green candle.
Teen Witch is becoming Mama and Papa Witch & Mama and Papa Witch dun play dat!
9 Responses to “No slack for Child Molesters and other Perverts”
BRAVO!
By Briena on Apr 3, 2008
It’s weird and it’s not limited to the Frosts. The amount of times I’ve heard people say ‘Pagans should stick together/up for eachother.’ In my experience Pagans have the same capacity for stupidity and nastyness as the general population. Why people think that just because someone is pagan they are nice is beyond me.
By Althaea on Apr 4, 2008
Aj will you ever just crawl under a rock.. You tryed to oust the Frosts from the Pagan community as a whole.. IT DIDNT WORK. so why dont you just give it up.. NO ONE HEARS YOU
By Shadowhawk on Apr 4, 2008
Shadowhawk - The only thing I do is blog. For medical reasons, I do not leave my house much. So asking me to crawl up under a rock is kind of silly, as that is where I spend most of my time. Looking at my stats for the last 24 hours, 246 pages have been viewed by 78 different IP addresses and the only thing I wrote till a moment ago was a silly thing about code pieces. So when you say nobody hears me, well I think you are wrong. After all, you seem to.
In so far as it not working, I assume you mean my speaking out against the Frosts. It is funny to now read that you think I should stop speaking out against them. Prior to this past year’s Real Witches Ball you claimed that it was all a publicity stunt to bring people to the event and it would end after the event ended. You even lamented about how you thought I wouldn’t have anything to do after the event because there would be no longer a reason to speak against the Frosts. I take it you changed your mind.
I think it has worked fine. The number of people who are now aware of the Frosts and their supports is greater than it has ever been, mostly due to my activities. I am thrilled at how wide spread the word has gone.
On a medical note, after the last two procedures my symptoms are very manageable and I will be seeing the fix it doctor soon. So I am starting to venture out as things are looking way up. But still, I doubt you will see me out and about as my interests do not seem to be the same as yours.
By A.J. Drew on Apr 4, 2008
Are you really this f-ing stupid Mr.drew? i mean for real not even 6 months ago you said you wernt even pagan anymore, that you were in fact a christian. why dont you go away, youre just a lieing lil bitch. i know the frosts personally and i know several of the ppl who you seem to think got molested, guess what?? they didnt. you are just full of shit. you say you have proof yet when asked to provide it you cant, so where is this “proof”? i mean tons of ppl in the pagan community have been asking for it now for what about a year, and you cant produce it, you are delusional and a crappy author, not to mention you’re sexist against women. you are sad pathetic little fat man, grow up. i worry for the safety of your children, for there well being, i hope your wife never leaves you alone with them, you are so obsessed with child molestation that i am about 90% sure you are a child molester, you think that if you scream about how wrong it is for a long time that no one will ever see you for what you are. i truly worry about your children. in short, shut the fuck up and get a life you dumb fundie.
By lager on Apr 6, 2008
Lager - Wow, looks like my little blog has you all hot under the colar.
Christian? I said what? Where did I say that?
I have always been a sort of an Edict of Milan sort of pagan (common folk).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Milan
My marriage to my wife being one great example. It was held in a Christian Church, Catered by a Krishna Ashram, and attended by Christians, Jews, Pagans, and at least one person who is now Muslim. I find truth in the teachings of all religions, although not all teachings of all religions. Sure, I find salvation in Jesus Christ who I believe is the child of God. But I find salvation in the teachings of Odin who I also believe is the child of God. Krishna is one of my personal favorites too, although I do shy away from Jesus Christ and Krishna because they do not have the attributes observed in the All Father (Odin).
Concerning Gavin and Yvonne Frost – The book and how it is represented by Gavin and Yvonne Frost are what I object to. Follow the bouncing ball.
1 – The Frosts claim they invented Wicca.
2- The Frosts claim that book is the foundation of their invention.
3- The book contains what seems like rather clear instruction to rape children to initiate them into Wicca.
If you do not think that is a problem, well congratulation. You seem to be in the majority. However, there is a growing number of Wiccans and Pagans who disagree, who are deeply offended by what the Frosts wrote (and continue to sell) and who are starting to view things more along the mainstream way of thinking, that such conduct is disguesting.
So calling me Christian (btw there is a capital there), Krishna, Norseman, or any of the other many religions I have come to know and love, well it doesn’t bother me much because I am not much into the us vs. them mentality that I find was responsible for such atrocities as 9-11 and the ongoing feuding in the Middle East.
I pray such conduct will become extinct before it causes the extinction of humanity.
On me being a closet child molester – ye ye, the Frosts and their supporters started that rumor a while ago and even included rumors that I have a second daughter in hiding who has a restraining order against me. That was followed by a rumor that I was a convicted drug felon.
Here is the problem with your logic, what you are saying is that gay folk who act as advocates for gay rights are closet heterosexuals, people who protest corporate destruction of the ecosystem are really plotting the demise of the natural environment, and so on and so forth. I know it is a great rally cry for things like the gay rights movement, that homophobes are really closet homosexuals, but it doesn’t really work that way in the majority of times. The majority of homophobes are just unhappy people who want other people to be unhappy. Being gay and forced to live in the closet would certainly make a person unhappy, but there are many other motivations.
The thing is, the reason the charge works so well on homophobes is becasue they care what other people think about them. I don’t much care. I am a happy little blogger who hardly ever leaves his home. No pending books with this pen name, no public speaking, no reason to care about public opinion.
I am highly motivated against the Frosts because I am a father. Although I have always disliked their teachings, having children provides a much greater motivation. Interestingly enough, nobody much noticed until I started blogging. Ah, power to he people.
By A.J. Drew on Apr 6, 2008
AJ
I have also noticed that many of those who use to post in the frost’s blog are not there any more. I wonder why that is…..
I wonder what these people would say about my findings in my blog if they could post. They can’t because they would have to be a member here, It could prove interesting though if I should open it up, but I don’t think I will since I enjoy intelligent discussions.
By Rhiannon on Apr 6, 2008
Rhiannon - Yep, dropping like flys. They are social creatures. The more word gets out, the less they want to be seen associating with the Frosts. Not because they care about what the Frosts wrote, because they care about what people think of them.
Consider how the head of that one Arkansas Pagan Pride event once demanded that what we said was in that book was all made up. She could have read the thing at any time, but continued to demand that we lied about it.
Sure sure, from a social viewpoint all sides of the issue were damaged, but I dont much care about he social side of it and damage to both sides of any conflict are to be expected. The victor being the ones who are able to withstand the long hall and strengthen their hand with the power of the divine. I honestly do think that good is divinely fortified against evil and harming children is evil.
By A.J. Drew on Apr 7, 2008
Anyone with any kind of morals will agree that harming children is evil.
Of course there will be those who will say “prove it was done”.
I believe if it wasn’t done and if that is not how Wicca was practiced then it should never have been written. It should never have been placed in a book for millions to read and still do today.
Yes we can say all we want about how people should know not to do that but there are always those who either don’t know that is not what one does in the Goddess’s religion or don’t care.
So I say that if that is not how the Frosts practiced then they lied in their book. If that is how they practiced it was and is wrong. If that is how they believed but don’t now they should say so.
Why put something like that in a book unless it is how you believe or it is just to sell the book and make money.
Any way you look at it, it is still wrong no matter the reason.
By Rhiannon on Apr 7, 2008